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	<title>Comments on: The Four Fails Of Bicycling in a Big City, Plus: The Win Made of Fail</title>
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		<title>By: Henry Casey</title>
		<link>http://thebusysignal.com/2011/07/20/the-four-fails-of-bicycling-in-a-big-city-plus-the-win-made-of-fail/#comment-1709</link>
		<dc:creator>Henry Casey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jul 2011 18:32:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks, Matt! And thank you for reading! See you around, man.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, Matt! And thank you for reading! See you around, man.</p>
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		<title>By: Henry Casey</title>
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		<dc:creator>Henry Casey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jul 2011 18:31:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thank you for the kind words! -- Regarding enforcement - It&#039;s when you get this congestion and multiple-abreast situation, though, that spacial relations make the policing of this very difficult. A very cynical side of myself wants to blame the multitudes of out of shape NYPD officers for why things got so bad to begin with, and today you have attitudes reinforced by years of experience and bad experiences. And, Jacqueline, what you bring up about cyclists in packs on the road competing for space with cars, etc., that&#039;s what&#039;s so great about the green lanes, except that they haven&#039;t become more well established even here. If I was the kind of cyclist who had the dexterity and stupidity to operate a digital device with one hand while biking, I&#039;d have photos of all the many ways that cars and people ignore the green lanes. Interesting to hear about the state of things in an area with even less enforcement, makes me enjoy what I&#039;ve got a bit more.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for the kind words! &#8212; Regarding enforcement &#8211; It&#8217;s when you get this congestion and multiple-abreast situation, though, that spacial relations make the policing of this very difficult. A very cynical side of myself wants to blame the multitudes of out of shape NYPD officers for why things got so bad to begin with, and today you have attitudes reinforced by years of experience and bad experiences. And, Jacqueline, what you bring up about cyclists in packs on the road competing for space with cars, etc., that&#8217;s what&#8217;s so great about the green lanes, except that they haven&#8217;t become more well established even here. If I was the kind of cyclist who had the dexterity and stupidity to operate a digital device with one hand while biking, I&#8217;d have photos of all the many ways that cars and people ignore the green lanes. Interesting to hear about the state of things in an area with even less enforcement, makes me enjoy what I&#8217;ve got a bit more.</p>
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		<title>By: matt n</title>
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		<dc:creator>matt n</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jul 2011 18:12:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[well done, henry. i&#039;ve been riding in the city for 8 years and I haven&#039;t considered many of the perspectives and insights that you brought up. Thanks for putting this together.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>well done, henry. i&#8217;ve been riding in the city for 8 years and I haven&#8217;t considered many of the perspectives and insights that you brought up. Thanks for putting this together.</p>
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		<title>By: Jacqueline Moss</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jacqueline Moss</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jul 2011 12:43:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;ve found this whole battle very interesting, and I really liked your more nuanced take on it Henry.  And as someone who grew up in a rather rural version of suburbia, then left for NYC, and then surrended and went back to rural suburbia, I think a lot of the conflict comes from lack of enforcement (which you cite) and the general attitude of a lot of New Yorkers (&quot;I can do what I want, when I want, when I want, and you all can suck it!&quot;).  Part of the solution is, as you say, better enforcement all around for all of those who use the streets to get around.  But people also need to adjust their attitudes.  You live in a city, a very, very large and congested city.  Not in your own personal traveling bubble.

Funny thing is, even in Maine - where the largest city in the state has approximately 66,000 people - cyclists are a nuisance.  I love biking, I think more people should bike and there should be more commuters who cycle.  And there are tons of bike lanes and bike paths all around Southern Maine.  But there is also a huge lack of enforcement of the laws.  As someone who mostly gets around by car, cyclists drive me nuts.  There aren&#039;t a lot of highways here, but there are a lot of routes.  Rt. 1 and Rt. 88 are especially popular with joggers, motorists, dogs, babies, and cyclists.  These two heavily traveled routes are always busy, except maybe very late a night.  And even though there are dedicated bike lanes on almost all of the said routes, the cyclists are never in them.  They are always in the road.  I understand why you want to ride that white line.  But you are putting yourself and others in danger.  One cyclist in the road is bad enough, but often they are in PACKS.  And they like to ride two, three, or even four abreast.  Which literally means there is no room for cars or anyone else really on the road.  This makes me insane.  

I support cycling, but cyclists everywhere need to drop the sanctimonious attitude and realize that they too have to &quot;share the road&quot;.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve found this whole battle very interesting, and I really liked your more nuanced take on it Henry.  And as someone who grew up in a rather rural version of suburbia, then left for NYC, and then surrended and went back to rural suburbia, I think a lot of the conflict comes from lack of enforcement (which you cite) and the general attitude of a lot of New Yorkers (&#8220;I can do what I want, when I want, when I want, and you all can suck it!&#8221;).  Part of the solution is, as you say, better enforcement all around for all of those who use the streets to get around.  But people also need to adjust their attitudes.  You live in a city, a very, very large and congested city.  Not in your own personal traveling bubble.</p>
<p>Funny thing is, even in Maine &#8211; where the largest city in the state has approximately 66,000 people &#8211; cyclists are a nuisance.  I love biking, I think more people should bike and there should be more commuters who cycle.  And there are tons of bike lanes and bike paths all around Southern Maine.  But there is also a huge lack of enforcement of the laws.  As someone who mostly gets around by car, cyclists drive me nuts.  There aren&#8217;t a lot of highways here, but there are a lot of routes.  Rt. 1 and Rt. 88 are especially popular with joggers, motorists, dogs, babies, and cyclists.  These two heavily traveled routes are always busy, except maybe very late a night.  And even though there are dedicated bike lanes on almost all of the said routes, the cyclists are never in them.  They are always in the road.  I understand why you want to ride that white line.  But you are putting yourself and others in danger.  One cyclist in the road is bad enough, but often they are in PACKS.  And they like to ride two, three, or even four abreast.  Which literally means there is no room for cars or anyone else really on the road.  This makes me insane.  </p>
<p>I support cycling, but cyclists everywhere need to drop the sanctimonious attitude and realize that they too have to &#8220;share the road&#8221;.</p>
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